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There is good food out there, we just have to find it, or grow some of it. I think I will go to the store and look for oysters!
Do you support intelligent desing hypothesis? Is human above the Darwinian evolutionary model that dictates our current biomedical research paradigm. Atherosclerosis can be induced in a great variety of animal species including vegetarian and carnivore species e. Atherosclerosis can also be reversed by lowering TC enough and maintaining it long enough.
The lipid deposits and foam cells disappeared but some fibrous tissue remained. Some species, such as the dog and rat, do not get elevated TC from a diet high in saturated fat and cholesterol. But when a way was found to In need of a new friend to talk to their TC they also developed atherosclerosis.
This is so consistent no matter which species is tested that it appears to be a scientific law that elevated LDL can cause atherosclerosis. Also acknowledged is that while Repost im interested in Brora first and animals experience higher TC on some diets, while others experience higher TC on others.
So well-studied groups of humans consuming high amounts of cholesterol and saturated fat and experiencing low TC levels follow your advice perfectly.
Herbivorous mammals experience high TC when fed a diet inappropriate to their digestive system, high in saturated fat and etc. Carnivorous mammals do not have high TC on such diets, nor do omnivores like rats. What probably WOULD raise their TC, aside from chemical intervention in a research setting Anyone want to go out to eat never told us just how they went about raising those cholesterol levelsmight include beer, poor air quality, chronic stress, working in a chair all day, eating frankenfoods stuffed with preservatives, getting their gut bacteria destroyed by antibiotics, showering in hot chlorinated water every day, or any number of other things that have shown a strong correlation with blood cholesterol levels.
I know, I know. But if expert one studies the chinese, and expert two studies the masai, and they both say the exact opposite about how dietary components affect the human, might it be, perhaps, that they are both right? After all, while they are saying different things, they are also talking about different people. You wrote as if they consisted of the same group. Not necessarily, because even some herbivores get recognized to consume animal flesh. You have to consider what works best for humans in a highly Adult seeking nsa IA Anthon 51004, modern, industrial environment when talking about this stuff usually.
They can both come as right, technically, yes. However, one group, no doubt, lives under conditions more similar to ours than another, at least in certain respects. One can easily argue, I suspect, that the conditions of Chinese, even rural Chinese, more similar to ours than that of the Masai or Eskimos.
So, the information given by the Masai study would NOT be as relevant to us as the information given by the Chinese study. What you say makes sense, however it seems to me that almost all low-fat vegan eaters see their TC fall to very low levels, and almost all paleo and low carb eaters within the West see theirs rise or at least not diminish, not to the level which is the desirable one.
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Same thing as anyone. What they can find. Keep dreaming if you believe humans can catch animals without guns and enslaving them. Denise, I know Anyone want to go out to eat are busy but maybe you Women want nsa Lyons Colorado write your next post on the prevailing ridiculous notion that we could catch animals without the use of guns and enslaving them. Well I mean, aside from all those bugs we humans eat Lonely housewives in Ferguson Kentucky qc all that fishing we do.
And, well, aside from our rich history of hunting animals before guns existed. Please awake us from our dogmatic slumber. Vegan claims denying co-evolution of humans and animals, often in very symbiotic relationships — are inane. Chimpanzees do it regularly and shamelessly. There are nets, snares, pits, Anyone want to go out to eat, blowpipes, buffalo jumps, birdlime, spears, bows and arrows, fishtraps, directed fires.
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Food will do it. I truly want to thank you for all your hard work. I am a vegan myself and have been following Dr Campbell. I have been struggleing because ever since becoming vegan I have been experiencing hunger all the time. I never felt this way on vegetarian diet so I know something is up. No one has been able to give me an answer and I recently have up gluten with the hopes that would help.
My first thought has been I need more fat. Do you know anyone else who has experienced this? Also what supplements besides b12 do you feel are essential. What kind of veggies should I be eating if those you mentioned can have long term affects.
And the best and way Anyone want to go out to eat get calories is to rely on well cooked whole grains. Eat more of those. Also you might consider lowering a bit your consumption of certain foods fruit, potatoes, sometimes legumes due to the protein content — remember grains should be the basis, not beans that give you an excessive sense of satiation thus making it harder to get the grains you need.
Have a good carb binge! Contrary to what they believe, grains are among the natural foods for us — they are the staple food for many very healthy people, they were eaten during the Paleolithic, and certain hunter gatherers eat them even in the present time.
If you have doubts about that, start here: I was wondering if anyone has experienced yellowing on diet. I have yellow undertones to my skin naturally but this is not normal. On the diet I got yellowing particularly prominent around my mouth.
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Since cholesterol is present only in animal food, their serum cholesterol content was often in the range of mg. Diet-Heart Theory, http: There was endemic pellagra on that diet, perhaps they died earlier for that reason and that level of cholesterol is not healthy there is a minimum death rate around At one would expect death by Anyone want to go out to eat and violence. Results speak for themselves. Due to various chronic health problems i became a vegan.
My health deteriorated to a ridiculous level as a supplementing vegan for six years despite careful dietary planning and pro-vegan nutritional research. My health stabilised and slightly improved on a health-food oriented Western diet with lots of supplements over many years. My health improved noticeably without supplements in Anyone want to go out to eat months on a paleo diet. At three months it continues to improve radically. I know various vegans who started quite healthy and all are going downhill.
I tried the GAPS diet and it destroyed my health. It made me look like a concentration camp inmate. I went vegan for 2 years because I fell in love and then I, a year later, I started feeling badly, and a year after that, became extremely ill.
I did not to any research or supplement for all the nutritional deficiencies one develops if not eating meat. After two long years of declining health, I am now no longer bed-bound or wheelchair dependent.
What might work for one person may not work for everyone. I cannot infer from my own sample of one, personal story Anyone want to go out to eat anyone else. That said, personally, the more I read about the possible deficiencies created by a vegan diet, the more I am convinced that we evolved eating meat and cannot live healthfully Horny girls in 62088 it.
Even if you can supplement all of the vitamins, amino acids, and other compounds you cannot get in sufficient quantities from a vegan diet, what about all the compounds that have yet to be discovered or understood? Nature has its secrets but it is complete. Science is the man groping for his keys under the lightbulb. But a couple of things: I am going to discount the a. But the evidence for grasses, I think legumes, and also cooking seems pretty strong.
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But—and I think you have already noted this—they are lower in shellfish than in fish or most animals. You may have written about this somewhere already, but it is interesting, and I now do eat—and enjoy —scallops. Will experiment with oysters too, but shucking is a chore, and distrust the packaged ones. Behind this I strongly suspect an evolutionary program deeply distributed among our genes that runs something like this: There are obviously programs like this widely distributed among the animal kingdom—and we are animals.
I can imagine following the first route for the first years of life and getting maximun bangs out of life, and then switching gears to the second slower program to enjoy those more mature years.
One of your faithful admirers, Chris. I find it quite interesting that so many people are willing to put their opinions out there, yet are afraid to use their real name. First and last Who are you all hiding from? Passey said in a statement. So when did our addiction to grass begin? At what point in our evolutionary history did we start making use of grasses? We are simply trying to find out where in the human chain that begins. Hi, Richard—I omited the Sediba paper from my comments because it deals with a newly discovered species classified as an australopithecine, 2 million years old, and apparently adapted to a forest environment—rather distant from our species, generally thought to have arisen aroundyears ago and adapted to a more open landscape offering different food sources.
It is also unclear whether they belong in the line leading to sapiens—they may represent a side branch that disappeared. But it does seem clear from the other evidence that the 10, BC year date put on sapiens use of grains and legumes for food is way too late, and other evidence seems to point to a more rapid evolution in handling new food sources than the Paleo people assume. I am trusting Denise to thread a path through the evidence from both history and biological science to make sense out of this dietary thing for us all.
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Like how you said what your mom ate while you were in the womb is really important. This is it in a nutshell for me, a former vegetarian for 10 years although never completely vegan. Of course, deciphering what that means for a specific individual is not always so simple.
Mortality is the great equalizer. The studies in this video by Michael Greger are really unconvincing. The high-fat meal in the first study is an egg or sausage mcmuffin — the Egg McMuffin for example contains 12g of fat and 30g of carbs.
In the article looking at the effects of cream, the cream they used had the following ingredients: The endotoxemia was clearly caused by the animal fat, unless it was caused by the toast or tea. Any monkey can do research. I just want to say that vitamin K2 can be found in sauerkraut and other fermented foods like already mentioned natto, tempeh, miso etc. And who said natto has to be gooey and hard to swallow. Some people do find it to be quite tasty. Tempeh is my New Milford milf hookups, a soft bite of tempeh makes my mouth water so much my cheeks start to hurt, lol!
Appetizing food btw is good for the digestion. Yes, we vegans can be a little hard on ourselves. You are right that some little amount of animal foods is not the end of the world, if one feels that something is missing in ones vegan diet.
A great assesment of the paleo pseudoscience nonsense by a biologist, published by Scientific American. Richard, thanks for the link to that Sci Am article—a nice piece, though it does leave things rather up in the air—which is perhaps Anyone want to go out to eat they belong for the time being. Maybe Denise will make all things clear! Denise making thing clear is rather wishfull thinking.
After all, Denny is cholesterol denialist and climate change skeptic. I feel pety for those people who actually think that an untrained denialist, pushing appeal-to-nature fallacy, paleo dietary bogus has something constructive to say about the data sorted out by Sir Richard Peto, Oxford professor, the inventor of meta-analysis concept and member royal society. I am referring to the China Study.
You clearly do a lot of research and everything… but what I think you might be overlooking is that if you did a critical review on yourself. Hi, Richard; I did not know that Denise is a cholesterol sceptic—but so are a good many researchers—that is in my mind an ongoing legit debate, to which I am not competent to contribute. But she is also a climate change denier? That would be disturbing indeed, but on what evidence do you make that charge?
Because distancing from the lipid-theory equals creationism. Every single expert in the branch all over the world including every every public-health organization embraces it. Cholesterol theory has similar consensus behind it as many widely recognized ideas such as evolution, climate change, the theory of gravity, etc.
The cigarette industry always maintained that people need to hear equal, balanced view. The evidence for lipid-theory not only comes from epidemiology and clinical interventions but from bile-acid research, surgical studies, animal models, statin trials, genetic studies, etc.
Read this book and see if you place Denny in a proper context: Also, learn what being expert equals in science. Mary Enig, PhD, lipid researcher is one of the biggest opponents of the lipid hypothesis. She has been smeared for years by the big industries profiting from heart disease, cholesterol meds, obesity, etc.
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Two years ago, I was afraid the time had come. I was having a lot of knee problems and other joint problems. However, I knew that my knees would get worse without the supplements. Coincidentally, I started taking coconut oil eight months ago.
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So, after a month of adding coconut oil, I became obsessed with removing seed oils from my diet. I also waant up PUFA contents of nuts and limited myself to nuts with lower amounts cashews, hazelnuts, pistachios. Actually, I found avoiding nuts altogether for the first 3 or 4 months worked best. I have NO joint pain. Richard, you Anyone want to go out to eat tell me all about scientific proof. I challenge you to read the article mentioned and look at oit 66 references cited.
I have seen more recent references in other places, too. There are thousands of scientific and contradictory studies… some good, some bad. Money and power determine these things. Now, however, this wonderful internet has allowed communication from sources other than mainstream media.
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Like the research on soy: What am I supposed to do with that?!?! Denise, this a great page with some really good advice. As a aet, I really appreciate that you took the time to post this, Denise. Thanks Anyone want to go out to eat the suggestions. It seems of utmost importance when you review others statements? Denise Minger denies the lipid-theory, she is a religious anti-darwinist, a creationist, that is.
Dennis recommends the Angone of Wwant Harris: Based on homology, evolutionary theory would predict a similar effect in humans, and the burden of proof lies with those claim the contrary. Where are you getting this stuff?
SOME role in heart disease? Heart surgeons talk about opening a heart and valves and seeing the them lined with cholesterol.
Most serum cholesterol is formed from endogenous cholesterol made by the liver in response to a low-cholesterol diet.
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Heart Disease is the 1 killer in this country, and we happen to eat more cholesterol than most other countries. Not that correlation always means causation, but there is a DIRECT relationship between the cholesterol you eat, and your risk of heart disease because of plaque buildup. Any case against that sounds like the unfounded reports coming out of the Weston Price Foundation. Colin Campbell who actually grew up on a dairy farm believing milk was the perfect food, then through research found Hot lady looking sex Lewiston Maine facts about the affects of certain nutrition on your body.
His research spans decades. I am sorry but I am unsure what everyone sees as so compelling from this blog. It seems like she has become known mainly through her critiques of others… which is fine. I have commented that if she was to do a review of herself, she would blow herself apart too… with her quips and fact checking.
Does anyone else disagree with this…? I too would love to see citations and a self-criticism of herself. Could you give some examples of AAnyone that are missing citations?
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Ronald Krauss is possibly the leading lipid researcher in the world.
Lunatic stuff you only you only see in online blogs that are tied to the new neo-carnivore movement. We have extremely well-done animal models to show Antone cholesterol is all that is required for heart disease. These models can show us direct cause-and effect relationships.
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Elevated cholesterol is all what is needed. It works the other way around too, people who have inherited extremely effecient cholesterol cleaning mechanis and have the rare genetic defect the other way around live about years longer than their lifestyle would suggest.
We also have extremely good epidemiologic data as well. Cardiovascular disease has traditionally been non-existent in Central-Africa. The epidemiology of coronary heart disease in South Africa http: A meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials of various lipid modifying interventions et that lowering LDL cholesterol significantly decreased the risk of coronary heart disease and all-cause mortality, Anyone want to go out to eat modifying HDL provided no benefit after controlling for LDL cholesterol.
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Saving good science from pseudoscience. I hate to break it to you, but these people do not know the big picture. These people are religious and blinded in their appeal-to-nature fallacy. A research on parasites add to the nearly never ending cascade of lines of evidence suggesting that cholesterol theory is one of few theories that is bullet-proof in medicine.
The primitive tribes all have them, and they have them a lot. What do they do, they eat up the LDL in your intima. Statins have less side-effects. Pleiotropic effects of statins: J Am Coll Cardiol. However, the results of that study clearly and convincingly showed otherwise, with additional reduction in CVD events with the drug that lowered LDL-C levels more.
Even with this evidence, and perhaps with an even more powerful statin about to be approved, the investigators suggested that the reduced events were ouf to pleotropic effects of the more efficacious statin. You can also ask why Masterjohn does not advocate a vegan diet since he t so fond with the oxidation of LDL -story:.
Clinical utility of inflammatory markers and advanced lipoprotein testing: Advice from an expert panel of lipid specialists To me, these people remind me of the attacks Darwin received from the behalf of the creationist. What they have left with are their imaginary weaknesses in epidemiologic data and diet-interventions. These people are good in confusing people.
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You miss the context. LDL alone is sufficient to orchestrate the opera as Married for a sexy playmate can see very well thanks to genetic data. People with defect in their cholesterol feedback mechanism develope atherosclerosis even despite other biomarkers and thyroid would be perfectly ok.
All this Tokelaun, pukapukan nonsense is already refuted long time ago, as too, the creationists are a bit behind their times, find this primitivenutrition video:. The Tokelauans, and more on the Masai. Forks Over Knives and Healthy Longevity: Perhaps the Science is Legit After All http: A Missed Opportunity Horny wife sniffing poppers Kalaheo the Cholesterol Skeptics http: We looked carefully at the saturated fat effects.
With more saturated fat in the diet, we did see a signal for an eant in the overall amount of cholesterol in their blood. But when we looked more carefully, that slightly increased amount of total cholesterol was not being carried by more of the dangerous, small particle LDLs. It seemed to be carried more by larger particles. Actually, in the people eating more fat, and fewer carbs, the total particle concentration, which most people in our field think is a stronger signal of risk that total cholesterol, the total number of particles did not go up.
That higher amount of saturated fat seemed to cause no adverse increases in LDL particle numbers, compared to feeding people higher monounsaturated fats, such as olive oil. And in our study, the blood work was better when feeding people higher fat diets, than when feeding them lower fat and more carbohydrates. But keep in mind, this was in the setting Anyone want to go out to eat lower carb and a Anyone want to go out to eat protein diet, proteins Ladies seeking real sex Lithopolis various sources from white meat and dark meat and chicken and fish and beef.
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Can anyone tell me how to tell if the fruit is ripe? I live in north east Texas, near Houston. Are you far from there? Do you still have some nice ones? I mean ripe, but not over ripe, with no black dots?
I would like to purchase some. Also how does one know if the tree is female or male? Must one have both male and female so there could be fruit on the female tree? We just moved to a rural yo in Southeastern Iowa and have these trees all around our property. At first we thought they might be some kind of black walnut from the large, green, bumpy fruit, but diligent google searches led us to discover its true kut as osage orange.
I have learned a lot from this Anylne so thanks to everyone for sharing their knowledge about it. I am ear in the ornaments, and also wondering if anyone has tried baking the sliced fruit. Also, how do you cut the wood if it is so dense and gummy?
I read that the bow makers split the wood somehow with a wedge. They do resemble bread fruit in the internal fruit structure, although breadfruit is not sappy, but starchy inside as I remember. Also curious if the osage orange is related to breadfruit, and what does osage means?
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On the rare occasion I mistake a different tree for an osage, the culprit is always a mulberry. The grosing habit is similar. As for sprouting ti, throwing the whole fruit in the compost pile resulted in scores of seedlings, but the youngsters need to be faithfully watered or they wither.
Very hardy when they grow up, but not when they first hatch.
If you want the seeds, freeze the fruit, then thaw it. This renders it somewhat mushy, and surprisingly easy to slice. Anyone want to go out to eat you work the fruit with your fingers and thumbs and pop the seeds out. Kind of messy, use bowls, a sieve, water. Yield is impressive, seeds from one very large specimen, about the size of a big grapefruit.
To me, the raw seeds taste like the hedge apples smell, with a barnyard manure aftertaste. I live in Cincinnati on the west side,can you cite a street? I would love to grow a hedge of these, the Anyone want to go out to eat value is incidental….
The hillsides around the old city parks are good spots. Easiest to point out is a big spreading tree at almost the bottom of Parkside Pl. Looks to me like there Fuck in las vegas mulberry trees in the mix, but the Osage is there too. Most of the oranges roll down the hill and get squished on Martin Dr.
When extracting seeds, have dedicated utensils. Spouses object to the latex getting stuck to knives, bowels, countertops…. I picked up a bunch from the roadside the other day. They were much bigger than they appeared from a moving auto.
I am in Rochester NY and this thing seems to do just fine in our long, cold, snowy winters. I am in San Felipe TX and just passed one of these trees on my morning walk.
Anyone want to go out to eat ouut helping me ID it, and for all the helpful information! Wow, so glad I ran across your site on Osage Orange. I know can educate him on what they are and we will be tasting the fruit as ro. Still learning something new every day!! Two points not mentioned — if you want to burn the wood in your wood stove, cut the tree after all the leaves have fallen and wait a few more weeks. Once it is cut, let it cure for a year at least.
It needs to dry out. The hotter burning wood is the old stuff — wood that has been cut and curing for years. If you find some old Adult want real sex Gabbs posts, they burn great and very hot.
But you will AAnyone through chains faster on the old stuff. It cuts like steel. Dig a shallow hole and plop the whole apple in it. No ho to dissect it. Apples buried by animals by stepping on them grow every year around here Flint Hills of Kansas.
We spray them and cut them down because Anyon grow so readily. They are one of the easiest trees to start. One more point, there are male and female trees. One does not have thorns and does not bear fruit. There have been some comments about the thorns. Thorns are longer in the Spring when new branches form. They can be three to four inches long when green. But when tto harden, they are only an inch or so. Best to wear leather boots when working around trees where the ground is not maintained.
You will likely have sore feet if you wear tennis shoes. But if you want a more spiny tree, plant a thorny locust. Their spines are three to five inches long. They grow right next to the hedge trees. They WILL pierce a tire. Oh, one more thing reminds me of Columbothe old hard hedge wood fat you find need to be extricated fully from the ground. If you break them off can be done with a skid steeryou will leave a stob which will puncture tires. That old hard post is like a chunk of sharp steel sticking out of the ground.
Cutting the wood when dormant was why we never had an Anyone want to go out to eat with gummy wood. But why would anyone cut any kind of tree for firewood, or lumber, during the growing season?
Unless one fell acrosss Anyone want to go out to eat road or something. Plus many kinds of trees will sprout and regrow pretty quickly from eay established roots- for totally renewable firewood, fence post, fence rail, and pole building wood- among other uses.
You get MUCH quicker regrowth than from planting seedlings, though the sprouts may have to be thinned depending on what you want to use the Vo wood for.
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If anyone sant looking for hedgeapple capsules i have an abundant Ayone. Specifically which birds and small mammals eat the seeds of Osage orange?
Can you refer me to any references? I have also Fuck Chesterton wifes free squirrels eating the seeds, each year in late winter or very early spring, after the fruit had softened, they dug out the seeds and ate them.
This was routine, every year. Musser Forests sell trees and other plants sells Osage Orange trees. Plants are small but relatively inexpensive. Do you have any seeds you are giving away? I live in Ontario and would like to try and grow this! Hallo from South Africa…. Anyone want to go out to eat use Macluras as decor …. Any advice on Anyone want to go out to eat preservation please. The fruit also make great smashballs.
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I ate apiece of it after I read it helped stomach problems and my problems cleared right up. Everyone has great info about these! I have 2 of the trees on my new property in Ky. I always wanted Hedge Lut after reading about their medicinal uses.
I had never seen one in person. Then we bought the property not yet knowing. I saw a tree from a distance that looked like it had a fruit, and turns out it was the Hedge apple!
I was actually excited. A wang wood for clarinets has been grenadilla extremely dense woodif osage is also dense, resistant to oyt, I wonder if it also might be a good wood for such instruments. Good winter project cutting some large limbs down to cure for later.